M. Saud Anwar: I would make a very bold statement and say Ahsan may be better than Benazir.
Ahsan is actually a genius. He's actually a better candidate (than Fahim) as well. He's a brilliant lawyer and a brilliant individual. He's very, very well educated and sharp, very articulate and very focused.
From the U.S. perspective, he may be better. (Ahsan has) a much more global perspective (than Fahim does).
Fahim, from Sindh Province (the same province that Bhutto's family is from), is a well-educated individual. He's extremely patriotic to the country, but also to the party, and has on multiple, multiple occasions been offered to be the leader of the party when she was not there.
But he refused to go that direction because he is very focused on what's in the best interest of the party.
He would definitely bring a lot to the table. The only thing is, he's probably not as articulate as she is. But with respect to the policies, with respect to what needs to be done, he's a very good person.
DISAPPOINTING ACCOMPLISHMENTS
As a two-time prime minister who was twice ousted, what do you consider to be Benazir Bhutto's accomplishments during her two terms?
Adil Najam: Much less than they should have been actually. A lot of her political energy was used up in just trying to stay in control, which she did not.
Having said that, there were significant advances she made, especially in her first time as prime minister, which came immediately after (the term of her predecessor) Gen. Zia ul-Haq.
(These changes include) some of her social policies – banking for the poor, for example, and particularly women's rights.
M. Saud Anwar: I think in the two terms, there was a lot of disappointment. Clearly there were governance failures in both terms.
On the positive side, she was a woman (and) prime minister of a Muslim country. She initiated democratic reforms. Jobs were created in certain parts of the country.
I think she played an important role with the geopolitical challenges (associated) with the Soviet era, that continued on after Zia's (Gen. Zia ul-Haq's) time.
Was she the perfect leader of the country? No. Was she better than a dictatorship? Yes. Did she prove herself over time? Somewhat.
Did she learn from her failures? Looks like it, very much so.
CORRUPTION and POWER
Benazir Bhutto was twice forced out of government when she was prime minister. In more than one country, she and her husband were charged with corruption and money laundering, involving over $1 billion reportedly. Yet she and her Pakistan People's Party (PPP) seem to have had immense popular support despite the scandals. Why is that?
Adil Najam: Neither statement is entirely correct. There were certainly charges against her and especially her husband. Part of the charges may have been politically motivated.
The numbers might have been propped up to create a case against her by the government. I don't mean to suggest that there was no corruption; there probably was.
I think there is this false notion in the West that she was an immensely popular, sweeping figure.
The PPP is probably the single largest party in the country, (but) probably not the majority party in the country because it is a fractured society. I don't think it [her party] was as popular.
The other two leading parties are the PMLN (Nawaz Sharif's party) and the PMLQ (Musharraf's party). (PML stands for Pakistan Muslim League. The "Q" in "PMLQ" stands for quyaid, or leader.)
Then, there's the issue of who would or would not have supported her in this (Jan. 8, 2008) election. The U.S. wanted to anoint her, so there's this sense that all of Pakistan was behind her. It wasn't.
She probably had the single largest party in Parliament. But that doesn't mean that she would've had the majority.
Any government that would have been formed would have been a coalition government (since) in a parliamentary system like in Pakistan, the government is usually formed through a coalition.
M. Saud Anwar: In the politics of Pakistan, there is a lot of political scandals that come out, which are primarily done as a political ploy by opponent parties.
I think that may be one of the reasons that many of the people in Pakistan do not believe (the allegations against Benazir Bhutto).
The other component is that she did have a charismatic personality. She was a very good spokesperson for the needs of the people and was there to represent the people, (their) perspectives and interests.
That's why there has been a very strong following in Pakistan – primarily for her.
Do you think Benazir Bhutto was motivated mainly by power, that she was power-hungry in her attempt to return to the Pakistani leadership this time, with her checkered political past?
Adil Najam: It is the nature of power that the more you have, the more you want it.
Here is a woman who had immense international recognition, was immensely rich, and had seen the dangers of politics. Her father and brother had been killed because of politics.
She knew the risks of returning, so why did she do it? I don't think anyone knows the answer, but we can speculate.
She did want to become prime minister again; that was very clear. She wanted power again.
But I think part of it is also that she wanted to finish (what she didn't in her two terms as prime minister). The two times that she was prime minister, she was ousted from office without completing her terms. Maybe she felt cheated.
Saud Anwar: I know some people who have mentioned that.
Anyone who's running to be a president or prime minister, they are somewhat power-hungry to do that. You have to have that hunger to do it, but also have the hunger to make a difference and have changes in the country.
Just putting it as a power hunger may not necessarily be fair.
NEXT STEPS for PRES. MUSHARRAF and the U.S.
Pres. Musharraf has declared three days of mourning. Is that appropriate? What would you advise him to do in addition to – or instead of – having this three-day mourning period?
Adil Najam: Sure, it's appropriate, but it's not sufficient.
I think he should leave. He has made a number of changes in the constitution unilaterally, which have caused great, great distress.
Musharraf is immensely unpopular right now. I really think most Pakistanis think he should leave. He is now part of the problem.
His unpopularity is basically the biggest hurdle to democracy in Pakistan. From a U.S. perspective, it is also the single biggest obstacle to the war on terror.
If he does need to do something, which I don't think he will do, (four) immediate steps would be to restore the judiciary, restore the constitution as it originally was, turn back the human rights abuse, and bring back freedom of the press.
Those are four concrete steps that he could take immediately to demonstrate partly that he understands the mistakes he has made and partly that he is willing to change.
M. Saud Anwar: Clearly there was a security breach (involving Benazir Bhutto's assassination). An independent evaluation of why and how this happened (must take place).
There shouldn't be any elections until the two (major political) parties are on board.
The two parties are not going to be running for the election (on Jan. 8, 2008, in which Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif were candidates). Nawaz Sharif has said that he's not going to run for the election (because of Bhutto's assassination).
The third thing would be to make sure that the current violence (that is) a reaction to what has happened, stops. Musharraf needs to take whatever action is necessary – including (declaring a state of) emergency, if the violence persists – to try to control all that.
The mourning, that needs to happen.
What course of action – or restraint – would you suggest that the U.S. take?
Adil Najam: Its actions should meet its words – if, in fact, it is interested in democracy, then its actions should resonate with that.
You cannot say from one side of the mouth, "We want democracy" and, on the other side of the mouth, support a military dictatorship.
M. Saud Anwar: The United States needs to understand that in the past, there was a component of disengagement from the region, which was a total failed policy. Ongoing engagement is absolutely necessary.
That engagement would not necessarily have to be restricted to military engagement, but has to be multilateral, at all different levels – to have a mechanism to strengthen the civilian assistance as well – helping in the infrastructures for (civilian needs such as) education, healthcare and finance.
POOR U.S. MEDIA COVERAGE of PAKISTAN
How has the media coverage in the U.S. been of Pakistan politics in recent years?
Adil Najam: [slight laugher] International coverage is not the U.S. media's forte.
There's been a lot of good coverage of Benazir's assassination. But the general understanding of the complexity of Pakistan in the media can be very, very poor. If you want to see very good coverage, you look at the BBC.
(Regarding what American media has gotten wrong) there are so many things, for example, this building up of Benazir in the last many months, of building false expectations of what Benazir could do if she returned.
Anyone in Pakistan just could not understand what you were seeing on the screen here (in the U.S.). It had really little relevance to what was happening on the ground there.
(Another example is) this constant drumming of Pakistan being a nuclear power state, as if all of Pakistan's politics now depends on that.
Also (another example is) this idea that if Musharraf is not there, Pakistan will fall apart, as if he's the only moderate Pakistani in the world.
M. Saud Anwar: (I'm) satisfied regarding coverage of Benazir Bhutto's assassination, but prior to that, probably not.
In the U.S. media, nobody's doing the appropriate level of homework. Many (are) required to put news out there in a very rapid fashion.
The perspective about the number of casualties in Pakistan – and what Pakistan has lost because of the war on terror – nobody (includes) that in the picture at all – that is, casualties and the losses of the Pakistani people in the country with respect to the economy and to changes in the life of the average person (as an effect of) this war on terror.
Source: EthnicNewz.com
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